Is WMC going to recognize the SMF class?

[682000]

The SEB has always been a small, self supporting group. Although they do try to look out for the common good, they are not above making self serving decisions as well. In D mod for years you could run MC engines, but 2 of the SEB members were closely tied to the D mod community, facing the idea of Supercharged Busa engines putting their fragile 250HP Lotus on the trailer: BAM no more cheep MC engines D mod. Stranding dozens of builders 1/2 way into chassis building and development with useless cars.

Plus just like any volunteer organization they respond to criticism first, thats why we have 10000 classes so every tom **** and harry with a HoChiMin XYZ turbo can have a class where he can win a trophy. Problem with that is you cant administer it. Cars get miss classed because nobody is running them for whatever reason, then you come along might like to run that but realize its hopeless then go buy the car du jour (if you have money) or drive around at the back of the pack because no one has complained enough to get the SEB to revisit the class.

NASA time trial rules are better, you got 7 classes for street based cars (i think its 7 havent re read them in a couple years) You start with your car pre classed in one of the seven based on its stock performance then you bump up classes based on upgrades you make. Simple if more difficult to enforce and track at the local event level.

But as I know personally no rule set is EVER perfect or satisfies everybody.

[Joshh]

Originally Posted by 682000

The SEB has always been a small, self supporting group. Although they do try to look out for the common good, they are not above making self serving decisions as well. In D mod for years you could run MC engines, but 2 of the SEB members were closely tied to the D mod community, facing the idea of Supercharged Busa engines putting their fragile 250HP Lotus on the trailer: BAM no more cheep MC engines D mod. Stranding dozens of builders 1/2 way into chassis building and development with useless cars.

Plus just like any volunteer organization they respond to criticism first, thats why we have 10000 classes so every tom **** and harry with a HoChiMin XYZ turbo can have a class where he can win a trophy. Problem with that is you cant administer it. Cars get miss classed because nobody is running them for whatever reason, then you come along might like to run that but realize its hopeless then go buy the car du jour (if you have money) or drive around at the back of the pack because no one has complained enough to get the SEB to revisit the class.

NASA time trial rules are better, you got 7 classes for street based cars (i think its 7 havent re read them in a couple years) You start with your car pre classed in one of the seven based on its stock performance then you bump up classes based on upgrades you make. Simple if more difficult to enforce and track at the local event level.

But as I know personally no rule set is EVER perfect or satisfies everybody.

Very true.
One thing that would make a huge improvement in classing is for the SEB to review every class at the end of each year. For some reason the people I've said that to on SCCA forums think it's way too much work...lol. I stopped going over there as many of them have hissy fits when trying to suggest improvements. Let alone many have what I call amature racers ego.
All it would take is simply looking over the cars and seeing the obvious. Like the Acura RSX which was in CSP for several years before they moved it.

I suspect they recieve compensation for classing certain cars favorably. Mostly newer cars of course.

They also try to class like cars together. When in reality the overall speed of a car is what matters.

I really wish NASA was up here.

I don't go to our local autocrosses because I want to support the SCCA.

[682000]

we have been contemplating switching to NASA fo several years, some of the issues are ACCO wont recognize the NASA structure for the shootout, for obvious reasons.

And several folks are concerned that our already low turnout for our local events will be hurt by the switch, we are AVERAGING 12 cars in our autocrosses, Except for smackdown of course. WWSCC has run their own classing structure for years, which is a bit odd, but they have a very stong membership so it has not hurt them. If we could get 1 or 2 other clubs to consider the switch with us we would make the move, but being already isolated it is a problem. NASA would offer support to reach into this neck of the woods, but probably not enough to move an established club like EESCC or one of the other "biggies" so here we sit slaves to SCCA

[Biglay5150]

I hope WMC recognizes SMF this year as that is the class I was going to run in. I no longer have an EP car and my other car has an eng swap. I know I cant be competitive in SM with it but I might have a slight chance in SMF. There would probably be more people amped to race all the events if the competition was a little more fair. I ran two events last year with my white car and had no chance against the Subarus and Gulf AWD cars that came out.

[Rallitekmaytag]

Hey folks History is WMC uses the SCCA classing for autox. So if it’s in the book it’s recognized. The hillclimb is expanded further since alot of these kinds of events are at higher speeds meaning safety (always first) must be considered. So these classes also use the road racing classes also. And as was said before we are all doing this as fun, then we have our jobs to support our kids, etc. so we don't have time to reinvent the wheel so we have SCCA. Make sense !

[whiteknight]

So, not to threadjack, but if your runnin in an actual class for points you get a trophy and not just bragging rights? Sorry Im a noob and only ran in the NFP last year.

[jaymzz]

Yes if you run for points in your class and do well you get a trophy at the year end banquet.

[Biglay5150]

^^^^^^^^^Im drinking out of mine right now!!!!!!!!!